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posted on November 13, 2011 14:12
By Mike Handley
The man who arrowed the runner-up to the Pope and Young Club’s Illinois state record in 2009 is now facing multiple misdemeanor charges of violating the state’s wildlife code, according to the Illinois Department of Natural Resources.
Christopher Kiernan, 45, of Minooka, Ill., is among three individuals charged in the wake of an 11-month-long joint investigation by the Illinois DNR, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources, Wyoming Game and Fish Department, Alberta Sustainable Resources Department, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Missouri Department of Conservation, and the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks agency.
The three cases involve the taking of 24 deer in Illinois and Canada over a 10-year period.
Kiernan made headlines in 2009 after arrowing an enormous, wide-racked whitetail that later netted 261 5/8 inches when scored by a panel of measurers.
The buck has never been taped for the BTR.
He’s now facing 11 counts of hunting without landowner’s permission and being an accessory to the charge; 19 counts of unlawful possession of illegally taken deer; five counts of hunting with invalidated permits; five counts of unlawfully taking of deer; two counts of falsifying harvest records; and single counts of failing to report a harvest on the same day as killed and of failing to tag a deer as required.
The others facing similar charges are Garret Armstrong, 31, of Avon, N.Y., and 49-year-old Larry Smith of Williamsburg, Ontario. As of Nov. 4, none of the men had entered pleas. None have been tried or convicted.
The Illinois DNR released a statement saying the charges against Kiernan – filed through the Grundy County State’s Attorney’s office -- include the “illegal” taking of the 36-pointer they’ve valued at $35,000.
The Morris Daily Herald has reported that the alleged poaching took place on lands owned by Material Service Corporation.
Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:42 PM
W5VugDo you think for 1 minute that the pioners and Indians hunted leagally? I mean give me a break, Tey hunted duringthe full moon at night., All the gane laws does not discount a record deer, Perid!
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:38 AM
IMO, illegally taken deer definitely should NOT be entered in the record book.
Throw the book at these guys.
and, Randy, I'm sure whatever means used by the Pioneers and Indians was legal.
BTW, maybe you should spend some time on a spelling or typing class.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:38 AM
SAD THING TO SAY THE LEAST. COULD NOT IMAGINE HOW ONE THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SUPER BUCK AND STILL A RECORD KILL JUST NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS IN THE OFFICIAL RECORD BOOKS. DO THEY HAVE A RECORD BOOK FOR ILLEGIALLY TAKEN DEER?
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:39 AM
I completely disagree. We have laws in place to ensure the hunting is a safe and fair sport. The pioneers and Indians were harvesting animals for survival; not so they could sell the rack to some nation wide sporting goods store for $35,000. The record books should be reserved for only hunters that legally and ethically harvest an animal. I sure hope you don't live around me; it's hunters with mindsets like yours that taint the sport for everyone else, your not a hunter your a killer, and your comment makes me sick.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:33 AM
I whole heartedly agree. Our forefathers were hunting to feed their families; not to score a record book animal. I feel that the animal should most definitely be entered into the records books; BUT, not with the name of the individual that took him illegally. They should just list that he was poached on private lands and list the county and state. It isn't fair to all of us hunters that follow the rules and hunt according to the laws set forth to protect the animals and the property owners rights.
Randy, you need to clean up your spelling and typing before posting as you are coming across as an uneducated blow hard.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:50 AM
It is much better to not comment in writing and have folks think you are an idiot then to post and remove all doubt. Next time you have an opinion about something, just keep it to yourself.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:52 AM
The deer is in fact a record deer: The method in which the deer was taken is what is in question: The deer in my opinion should be held on display and kept as a current record, after all, it is recorded. Now, the person that arrowed this deer is the person that should be held accountable for the actions taken. We are all under the same laws, that I might add, are in place for a reason. My point is this: illegal or not, the deer is a record and should be noted as such. The person or people who break the laws of hunting should be recorded as well, and then held accountable for thier actions. The legalities of whether or not the deer should remain in the record books, "Well", is it still a record deer? List it as taken illegally and slam those that give us legal hunters a bad name.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:00 AM
Facing charges. Let's wait until he pleads or is convicted. We are talking about the People Republic of Illinois after all.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:06 AM
It is very sad to hear that another hunter & his friends has lied about the harvest of a state record and other harvesting of animals. LIARS can NEVER keep their big mouths shut. They brag to anyone who will listen, try to be the BIG MAN and the LIARS tell on themselves. I WOULD SAY THEY ARE VERY STUPID AND IGNORANT. There is a reason for having RULES, REGULATIONS & LAWS inplace for every state...SO THE CHEATERS & LIARS can be held accountable for their ILLEGAL actions. REAL HUNTERS DON'T CHEAT & LIE about their harvest. REAL HUNTERS are proud of their HONEST HARVEST of animals. The RULES, REGULATIONS & LAWS for each state is for the hunters and the wildlife's protection. So all of you so called hunters follow the RULES, REGULATIONS & LAWS or you will pay the price. Happy Hunting for all of you REAL HUNTERS!
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:14 AM
I know Randy made a bad statement...but man you guys are brutal. Bob, you never made a typing mistake? Dennis, you never made a stupid statement? Randy may have shown bad typing skills and made a poor statement but some of you are guilty of poor manners! Why the vicious attacks. As for the deer, it was illegal! Shouldn't have been done. Poor sportsmanship! If the man needed to fed his family (as the indians did) that is one thing, but I think we all know better.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:16 AM
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:23 AM
I hunt by the rules of every state I visit, and have been after a great buck like that for years! Yes the deer is a record, but now the illegal hunter will have a " criminal record" suits him right! We legal hunters have a hard enough time keeping our privilege to hunt as it is. It is my job to protect wildlife in my career and love to catch people like them!!
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:26 AM
One Last thing! you guys do not know Randy from Adams house cat. You do not know if he is just a poor typist. You do not know if he is disabled in some way, has a learning disability, or God forbid is confined to a hospital bed using voice recognition technology. Show more class than this.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:19 PM
AMEN BRUCE MY MOM ALWAYS SAID IF YOU DO NOT HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY SAY NOTHING AT ALL
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:12 PM
I have read all the posts above and had a few thoughts to convey. Yes, we may not know Randy and if he has any issues, but I do know that ALL these charges against these guys did not come about from one day hunting. This would have happened over several years which would make them career criminal poachers, not someone who just made a mistake. If you want to be nice, write to Ann Landers or another columnist. If you do not want to stand up for the rights we have as fair chase hunters, then take up another sport. I wonder how you would feel if those animals had been poached off your land or lease. You wouldn't want to be so nice then, would you...
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:04 PM
There you go!
And WE wonder why WE have so much to overcome and defend with these A holes giving the antis even more ammunition to try to stop what we love and hold dear.
But, those without guilt cast the first stone!
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:12 PM
They ought to give him a medal for killing the deer. You talk about over population of deer we have it. You see a dead one every hundred yards on the interstate. Illinois is the second most outdoorsman unfriendly state in the union behind Mexifornia. The state of Illinois probably wants to tap in to whatever money the deer generated to increase their revenue because they are so broke. I say put a bounty on does, reduce the herd by 30% and that will reduce car repairs significantly.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:40 PM
I'm sure we've all read or heard the story of the great Hanson buck. If you have'nt, look it up. He spoke of the critics calling his buck out and how frustrating it was, to the point of unplugging his phone. In ways, it would totally kill the joy of taking a record buck. This kind of doubt was very likely brought on by poachers doing just what this guy did. Such a shame to disgrace a trophy animal like this one, being taken by such an unworthy hunter. The sad fact is, it happens all the time. I just read an article from buckmasters about a monster found on a farm, likely killed at night by poachers. Most of us put in countless "legal" hours and thousands of dollars for a chance at a 150 class buck, never dreaming of an animal like this. All I can say is what a shame.
Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:23 AM
RANDY, YOUR ARE A BACKWOODS BONEHEAD..YOU SHOULD THINK BEFORE YOU TALK.....MAYBE THE GAME AND FISH DEPT. SHOULD CHECK YOU OUT. LAWS ARE PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON....I AGREE WITH GREG
Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:20 AM
I've hunted for over 50 years and everytime someone does something like this I just get sick. The stupidity and ignorance of it all just doesn't make any sense. The antihunting groups do not need assistance in gathering more data to use against ethical sportsmen. Randy, why don't you take a trip to your local game office and turn in your license (if you have one) because after reading the other postings, most do not consider you one of us, including me.
Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:10 PM
I agree with Mr BOB. Turn em in, stay home, and leave Us alone!! Amen!!!!
Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:37 PM
its very very sad a buck that big almost the king of bucks to be taken that way those guys should lose there hunting license for life and jail time . As far as Randys comment about pioneers and Indians time has changed they hunted to survive we can go to the store . PS good luck to all who hunt legel
Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:34 PM
Legal or not, that buck was a record book buck. The deer had nothing to do with being killed illegally. Recognize the buck, and throw the book at the no good bum that shot it. He should be relieved of his license for life.
Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:14 PM
Wow guys.It appears that some of the above contributors live in an unreal world where the foibles of people around them are never exposed and life moves at a black and white pace ...kind of like TV these days. I have been on this planet for 62 years and am no longer surprised by what I hear or read either TV news or articles such as this one. Where I live , the "locals" think it is a "perk" to live where they can shoot as many deer as they can regardless of limits. Do I call them names or demand the removal of their genitals? No. They are just another example of the differences in humans and they are still my friends. I still harvest only what I have tags for and so should everyone else. All the other stuff is just plain hooey!! Thanks bub!
Friday, November 18, 2011 6:01 PM
To everyone who sees nothing wrong with this: There are reasons that some bucks get this big. It's called conservation and management. To ensure these things, we have laws. Most of which work in the true hunters favor, whether a trophy or meat hunter. If we fail to adhere on a large scale, bucks of this quality do not exist. If you know someone who is killing more deer than blue tongue on a yearly basis and you fail to do something about it, then you are truly as guilty as them. Besides, most deer limits and season lengths are determined by the number of deer killed and reported during the previous season. How else do you think they determine the deer density on a given area? If you do it right, and ensure that the people around you do as well, I'm guessing you'll see a big increase in the trophy deer seen around your area. When I think of a deer hunter, good ole boy is the first thing that comes to mind. This guy is no good ole boy. He lied, cheated and pretty much stole from some hunter who would have gladly put in the hard work and extra hours for a chance at a buck less than half that size. I remember seeing the report when he killed it and was glad for him, but I thought he did it the right way, the way it should have been done.
Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:01 AM
I was raised in Grundy County, not far from Morris. I agree with Mitch, in that Illinois is a very hunter unfriendly state. This, however, does not give anyone the right to break laws, trespass, or feel that regulations do not apply to them. If the deer was taken legally, let it stand. As for the other alledged activities, I know how stiff the penalties can be.
As for the way the seasons are set up in Illinois (and its still no excuse) they should try what Kansas does. I've lived here since 2007. We buy our tags over the counter and can get 1 either sex tag and up to 4 antlerless only tags. There is a youth and disabled season 1 week before openning day. It is bow, firearm, and muzzle loader. Then, right around Sept 20, archery opens and STAYS open until Dec 31st. After that there are usually a few days in Jan set aside for an extended season. Rifle could be a little longer and that could happen as soon as next year because we still have an increasing whitetail population.
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:06 PM
My feelings are that the deer should not be posted in records, but the point was brought up about it still be a record deer and there are deer in the books that have been killed by autos and /or found. The problem with it being in the records is that someone profits from an illegal act and that should never be the case. Unless there is no possible way for the 'crook' (allegedly) Kiernan to have his name associated with the deer , the record should not be posted.
Kiernan supposedly took the deer with a recurve long bow, making the deer much more valuable than the $35k as stated. It was posted on the manufacturers web until the allegations came out and they immediately removed it from their site (kudos to them). BTW, he was also an outfitter here in illinois , which would make this deer even more profitable to him.
Being an avid hunter for 15+ years I have no sympathy for poachers and thats all these guys are. The rules are simple and if we have to abide by them , what gives these goofs the right not to . Throw the book at them.
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