Trey - 
Spike
 | | 05/10/2008 4:25 PM |
| | Ok the same guy goes into a grocery store pulls a gun and demands some food for his family and also wants money to have his gas turned back on. Wrong is wrong even if you think it may be right. Now would I shoot a deer out of season to feed my family or hold-up a store if my family was straving. In a heart beat. But if you do the crime you do the time. | | | |
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jkoehler -
Forum Moderator
Record Book
Kansas
| | 05/10/2008 9:04 PM |
| | Yes both acts are wrong in the eyes of the law but there is a big differance between shooting a deer to feed your family & sticking a gun in someones face and threatening the lives of others. | |
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Trey -
Spike
| | 05/10/2008 11:45 PM |
| Posted By jkoehler on 05/10/2008 9:04 PM
Yes both acts are wrong in the eyes of the law but there is a big differance between shooting a deer to feed your family & sticking a gun in someones face and threatening the lives of others.
the way the courts are now days, you would probally serve more time for poaching than armed robbery anyway. But all I stole officer was a loaf of bread and a pack of bologna. Hes still just trying to feed his family.
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The Bulldog -
Forum Moderator
4-Pointer
Missouri
| | 05/11/2008 1:09 AM |
| You also need to ask why they are in that predicament. Does this guy have problems that he needs help with so that he can hold down a job? Is this going to be the only time he does this? Or is he going to do it many times throughout the year? Further if it is during the off season, depending on what time of the year it is, he might be poaching that huge buck that everyone is legally trying to hunt. Also some people can justify poaching in there mind. If it is okay for that person to poach a deer then what if everyone decided to poach a deer to get back money for the rising cost of fuel? Is this okay? Oh hmmmm, I got to compensate for the rising cost of fuel, I can't really afford to drive this big pickup and eat, hmmmm, what if I went and shot a deer then I could eat and drive the big truck....You see if a person wants to badly enough they can almost justify anything in there mind. And then you get back too the okay if this person can afford firearms and bullets, then maybe they could sale them and get money for food legally. Further, the way the seasons fall there is usually something in season, could they not take something legally that is in season or even try fishing?
See if you are in law enforcement, as sad as some of the things are that you encounter, it is not your job to judge. If a Police Officer catches someone that has murdered someone else, even if they were in most peoples minds justified in doing so, are they just to turn there heads on it? No they have to treat it like a crime and let the courts work it out.
Lets look at this senario, A conservation Agent catches a guy that has just poached a doe, he is poor looking and wants to feed his family, so he turns his head and looks the other way, well down the road the same agent catches a guy that is poaching a huge buck, upon further investigation this poacher advised the game warden that he is doing this because he can sale the antlers to provide a living for his family. Would it be right for this game warden to turn his head to one but not the other? Enforce the law and let the courts decide. In most cases, I woud imagine there would be other ways to get food then by poaching. If your on a deserted island and you happen to find a mathews bow that just happens to float to you then I would say by all means do what is necessary to survive.
If everyone poached when times got hard, there likely wouldn't be any deer left. This is why laws are in place to ensure a future for legal hunters and the next generation. | | | |
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tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 05/11/2008 9:38 AM |
| Well worded post bulldog,there are valid arguements on both sides of this issue.I would not rob or kill anyone for any reason but if my kids are hungry yes I will take to the woods and waters around my home for food for them.
I'm not sure but didn't the early settlers and native americans hunt and fish year round to feed their families ?Yes some raise gardens to help cut costs at the store but I would rather see a guy/girl shoot a game animal out of seasono than robbing stores for food.
Like I said I understand your points but not all jobs pay enough or if the economy gets bad enough may not be around for everyone
I hunt legally for the future of our sport but when it comes to my kids having food,it's no longer a sport,it's a means to ffed my kids. | |
Tubby
The God of My Rock;He Is My Sheild;And The Horn Of My Salvation 2 Samuuel,Ch 22 | |
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r_rayjr -
4-Pointer
Council Bluffs, Iowa
| | 05/12/2008 8:13 AM |
| | If I was in this situation then I would do my job. I mean in most cities that I have been in during my 11 years in the navy, they all had a food pantry or something for people on hard time to get food. So even if he did do this to get food for his family, there are other, legal ways to get the food. I mean, does anyone here not have a food pantry in their area? I would think everyone should have one some place, even if you have to go 20 or 30 miles to get to one, or I would think anyway. And as some others have said, I know some places, have something to hunt all year round. And then again there is also always fishing too. I mean here in Iowa, the year round thing is pigeon within 100 yards of buildings and bridges. I mean I don't see very many pigeons in my area. but that is always an option... | |
Ronald Lee Ray Jr.
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slawman - 
4-Pointer
| | 05/17/2008 5:25 AM |
| | I see your point Ray, but some people are old school and prefer providing for themselves without the help from other people and some live in such remote areas , traveling becomes an issue. Many have good points on this subject it's nice to see the different opinions we all have . this subject sparked good debate and that's what this site is here for among other things. | | | |
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The Bulldog -
Forum Moderator
4-Pointer
Missouri
| | 05/17/2008 8:52 PM |
| | Way to spark a good debate Slawman. :2 Thumbs Up: | | | |
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r_rayjr -
4-Pointer
Council Bluffs, Iowa
| | 05/17/2008 11:47 PM |
| Posted By slawman on 05/17/2008 5:25 AM
I see your point Ray, but some people are old school and prefer providing for themselves without the help from other people and some live in such remote areas , traveling becomes an issue. Many have good points on this subject it's nice to see the different opinions we all have . this subject sparked good debate and that's what this site is here for among other things.
Yea, I know what you mean. I wouldn't really call it old school though. I say this because in the great depression they had things like soup kitchens and something like food pantries. And many people got help from that. So old school, to me any way would mean that people would do the same thing now. And I know that there were people then that didn't get help with these types of thing even back then. They thought it was a sign of weakness, or that they couldn't handle raising a family of their own. But I would like to know how many of these people that think this, pray to God every night for help to feed there family. If they feel that asking from man is a weakness then why ago ask the big guy up stairs??? As an old saying I have heard several times over the years, God works in small mysteries ways. God made it possible for these people who runs the food pantries and the soup kitchens, back during the great depression, I mean from what I remember everyone was have a hard time, but yet these people always got food to either use for the soup kitchen or to give to others in need. So the way I look at it, these people were sent by God to help those asking for help to get food to feed their family. To many people look for the big miracle, but sometimes God sends the small miracles that those people don't see, through your fellow man/woman...
As a country song goes, "There are angels among us, and they look like you and me." So I say don't think your weak for asking for help from another person. Look at it as the answer to your prayers from God... There are a lot of good people here on earth, and some of them really truly are angels sent from God...
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Ronald Lee Ray Jr.
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The Bulldog -
Forum Moderator
4-Pointer
Missouri
| | 05/18/2008 4:14 AM |
| | IMO if your family is hungry, it is time to lower your pride and ask for help. | | | |
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tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 05/18/2008 10:00 AM |
| Are we talking about protecting the hunting industry/sport or are we talking about taking care of our family ?I understand the government and churches have programs to help the less fortunate.For arguements sake lets' say the government funding dries up and the churches can no longer afford to run the soup kitchens,what then ?
Way back before there were any hunting laws,the only folks hunting for sport were the wealthy,the rest used it for a means of survial.
I am not to proud to ask for help,but in my opinion GOD put the animals here for us to use for our needs. | |
Tubby
The God of My Rock;He Is My Sheild;And The Horn Of My Salvation 2 Samuuel,Ch 22 | |
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pizzaman17 -
4-Pointer
Brookville,Pa.
| | 05/18/2008 3:33 PM |
| Posted By tubby on 05/18/2008 10:00 AM
Are we talking about protecting the hunting industry/sport or are we talking about taking care of our family ?I understand the government and churches have programs to help the less fortunate.For arguements sake lets' say the government funding dries up and the churches can no longer afford to run the soup kitchens,what then ?
Way back before there were any hunting laws,the only folks hunting for sport were the wealthy,the rest used it for a means of survial.
I am not to proud to ask for help,but in my opinion GOD put the animals here for us to use for our needs.
well worded post I agree The Bible tells us that God put the animals on this earth to feed His children. If were in the poachers situation I would do the same. If I were in the conservation officers position I would do my job,But I would also do everything I could to help the family by whatever means leagally possible. ......When I was growing up there was a family in my town that had no job and I came accross one of the kids in the woods cutting the hind quarter off a deer and was going to leave the rest lay.I confronted the kid and asked what he was doing. he said his family needed food,I asked him why then was he only taking the hind quater and leaving the rest lay. He said because he could not carry the entire deer by himself.I then helped him tie a tree limb to the deer and together he and i carried the deer to his house. I also informed him that if I caught him doing this again I would call the game commission. His father was able to get a job and I never did see him in the woods without a legal hunting licensence again after that. | | | |
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countrygirl -
Forum Moderator
4-Pointer
Illinois
| | 05/18/2008 5:58 PM |
| I also beleave a man has to do what a man has to do...
I would check and see if his story was true, if so maybe give him a warning... And make sure to let him know next time I would have to give him a ticket. But also, I would get together with family and friends and see how we could help his family out. | | | |
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slawman -
4-Pointer
| | 05/19/2008 4:42 AM |
| | IN the famous words of one of my favorite tunes from Charlie Daniels..." I aint askin' nobody for nothin, if I can't get it on my own.......if you don't like the way the way that I'm livin... , why don't you leave this long-haired country boy alone". | | | |
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countrygirl -
Forum Moderator
4-Pointer
Illinois
| | 05/19/2008 11:50 AM |
| Posted By slawman on 05/19/2008 4:42 AM
IN the famous words of one of my favorite tunes from Charlie Daniels..." I aint askin' nobody for nothin, if I can't get it on my own.......if you don't like the way the way that I'm livin... , why don't you leave this long-haired country boy alone".  Good singing!!!!
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