kickin_buck: A few years ago I would have this forum up at work all day. The action back then was great, always a discussion or argument going on. I swear I would spend more time at work reading/answering posts than actually working. I stopped coming around when they made the first changes to the site and had to make a new account when they made this latest change. I was looking forward to getting back on here, but this place is dead now. Very few new topics being brought up, it just seems like I see the same topics day after day after day. What is going? Are there just not as many members after the latest changes? Or was there a huge personality blow up that caused a bunch of people to leave? I was just wondering. Kickin_buck, Please let me start off this post by stating that I am only an Administrator as an honorary title. I turned in my powers a few months back and handed the reins to a very qualified group, so I do not represent Buckmasters in any way. Whatever I say are my words and Buckmasters bears no liability at all, expressed or implied. Yes, unfortunately there was a personality blow up and apparently there are still a few people here that think they stand on high ground, but I think that is debatable. People also want to pretend that this blow up all occurred because the old “Chuckin Corner” was closed. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact of the matter is that there was a lynch mob here that wanted to crucify another member “without just cause”. Funny that I use the word crucify, because a few of these “torch bearers” consider themselves Christians. I never saw any Christian behavior in any of these events. The person being insulted, belittled and attacked was a character called “TwoDogs”. His real name was Brian Nielson. I say was, because he was killed in a horrible accident a while back and not one of these Christian Brothers said a kind word or what they previously considered respecting the dead, exactly like when another friend of this board died, Crash 88. Yes they were different people, but they both had Christian souls. There was one big difference between the two souls, one was young and pure and the other was older and tortured. Brian was a pathological liar. Not in a terrible way, he just made himself out to be something better than he was. He also lived this way for so long that I believe that he was oblivious to the fact that we were on to him and his ways. He made himself out to be a Great White Hunter and and a qualified and upstanding Hunting Outfitter. This was a lie. He BS’ed his way into hunts pretending to be with magazine or outdoor television shows. This was his downfall. Unfortunately, no one person emailed me or called me on the telephone (since I was the lead Administrator at the time) to say Brian did this to me! I tried to intervene and get to the truth of the matter, but all I got was third party testimony or first party testimony that was cut and pasted from another forum. I again asked for anyone to please give testimony on Brian. No one responded. But the attacks never stopped and I found out that a lot of the discontent was being spread on “The Chuckin Corner”. This “Chuckin Corner” post was a never ending one that went on for dozens of pages and it was impossible for me to keep up with it. By it’s nature (and in the manner of any civilized forum or bulletin board on the internet) it was outlawed by every administrator because, it did not stay on topic and was nothing short of a chat room or party line. The Torch Bearers did not care what I thought and they decided that might makes right. This group of people (some you see posting in this topic) were blinded by the blood thirst of the crucifixion. They didn’t give a damn about anything but getting their way. The lines were drawn and sides were picked. The war was joined. Since “The Chuckin Corner” was a nest of dissention, it was closed. When users or Moderators could not follow the rules and treat everyone in an honest and decent fashion, I started banning users. It turned into a full blown insurrection and people were banned in groups. The whole thing got terribly ugly and very personal. Hate mails in bulk were sent to the Founder of Buckmasters, Jackie Bushman himself. People threatened to throw out their subscriptions and call all of the sponsors. The whole event took a terrible toll on me and my best friend Shawn. Just like in the civil war, brother was pitted against brother, neighbor against neighbor. It all could have been avoided by any one of the alleged victims contacting me. I would have immediately banned Brian and the whole thing never would have occurred. The problem was, I think some people thrive from confrontation. We see them everywhere on the internet. They are called “Trolls”. I think the trolls got what the thrived on, attention and strife. The war was engaged for months on end. It wasn’t until I spent my own money and went on a personal hunting trip with Brian. After a few days, it became obvious. Brian was bad. After this discovery I emailed Brian and explained exactly why he had to leave. It wasn’t because his obsession with BS’ing, but because of the way he BS’ed his ways into hunts for other members and he misrepresented himself as a professional outfitter. This could not be tolerated. I wish one victim would have spared everyone the aggravation of this nasty fall out, but no one did. When I finally saw the truth, I called one of his victims and asked why he didn’t just tell me? His answer, “I guess I forgot or I thought you knew.” I told him “I had second and third hand testimony, but nothing from a real victim and truckloads of venom from the moral crusaders.” Why I was never contacted directly, I can only speculate, but with all of the hating going on I can imagine there was a lot of peer pressure put on this guy. I hold no grudge towards him. In fact I try not to hold any grudges against anyone and I do sometimes wonder “What would Jesus do?” I played the hand that I dealt and I believe that I did my best to follow in his philosophy. This is all ancient history. Why do some still want to spew venom? As posted below, if this is such a bad place, it is dead and there are other forums that everyone is happier with, why do you still come here? Why don’t you stay where the grass is greener? I am sure that because of this post I will take another barrage of insults and I am not happy with that at all. I have always forgiven all but the very few, exceptionally devious people. Why can’t I get the same forgiveness? I believe we all made mistakes and all bear some responsibility for that old mess. In any event, Brian is dead. He is no longer a factor here. I have been away for over two and a half months, so it can’t be me. I believe there are some that are just incapable of forgiveness or peace. They will always pour salt into that wound. Very, very sad. Now I would like to ask a few questions or comment about some of the quotes below: 2chucks: I too recall the "Good old Days" A guy could hardly keep up. The daytime crew was a blast to hang around with. It spilled over into the night as well. All those great posters and all that fun was squashed about a year or year and a half ago. The site took a real turn for the worse shortly after that and then a change in the overseers made it a real ghost town. I log on occasionally but It's sad to think about what once was. The old chucking crew didn't bother to make the move over to the new site as they felt they were not welcome. Even instructions and rules for the rapid fire area were created to discourage the old group from forming. " This forum is designed for "Rapid-Fire" communication and is exempt from the rules about one word or short replies. We expect cordial dialog. Everyone should feel welcome. We discourage any elite clubs, cliques, common team type of names or mentalities." Well they got their wish and now you have what you currently see. Gotta go, the dust and tumbleweeds here are bothering my allergies. Chuck on. 2Chucks, Is there something insidious that you see in this rule? We expect cordial dialog. Everyone should feel welcome. We discourage any elite clubs, cliques, common team type of names or mentalities." Middie: Seems like more than one forum underwent some drastic changes around that time...............I guess people just found something better to do! Middie, Thank you for bringing to light the honest and obvious truth. Things change and people move on to new hobbies or interests. I have been involved as an Administrator since before the Internet Explosion and if there is one thing I have learned is that everything changes. Am I still welcome on your board? MelSue: Good thing my allergies are in check. I just endure and will wait for the dust to settle. New site means construction and with that always is a little dust. Right now I think we have an awesome group on the site. Previously I think we had an awesome group on the site. Lulls happen, but I see even those, who are not so happy are contributing to the site. This is very commendable and outstanding. As always I try to see the good in all situations and in everyone. ; ) MelSue, This is a great way of looking at life. Thank you for your observations. broken arrow: Dust Devils! broken arrow: No Club. broken arrow: No clique. broken arrow: No common team. broken arrow: No mentality. Broken Arrow, What are you trying to say? (I think the sarcasm is obvious to all) Posted By Trey on 02/11/2008 4:37 PM
Wait you mean the "Chuckin' Corner" no longer exist.
Of course it still exists. Just not here. It's like Camalot. The old BT was the birth place of the Chucking corner. When it was banned here, It and the group took up residence on another forum. The family is strong. 2Chucks, What is the link to this new forum? Am I welcome? broken arrow: I gotta go now.
Got dust in my eye. Broken Arrow, Still stuck in the past? A portion of the "Family" some of the other "Chuckers" (including the chucking founder) were not able to make the gathering. A lot of former BT mods pictured here. 2Chucks, Nice group photo. Will you be kind enough to introduce us all from left to right? it sure would be good to go back in time, back around 2000 when the real good ole days were happening, but change came about and things became different. here is a web site of one of the good ole boys, and if your lookin down on us Devo, still got your back and lookin after cyberbilly for ya http://members.tripod.com/acorn_breath/full_friend.htm
A lot of the web pages are gone now, all but a distant memory, some still are up and running, thankful for the almight WWW. Almost each person had their own web page showing off their talents. I still keep in touch with some of the old group and will continue to do so with or without the forum.
The history of the forum is cyclical, it gets moving at a great rate, things change and it slows down for about a year and then back up and running, not sure why it does but after watching the past 8 years in buckmasters i am likely one of the few that can say this. This is the 5th or so change in forums, and no other hunting web page has ever been as fun, popular and user friendly as it was in 2000.
I accepted the change, perhaps the "chuckers" should do the same Dobber, I agree 100% Dobber........ "but change came about and things became different."
That was the crux of it all. It didn't have to. We know WHO forced the change.
"The history of the forum is cyclical, it gets moving at a great rate, things change and it slows down for about a year and then back up and running, not sure why it does"
Not sure why???
"There are 1 of 6845 member(s) online"
1!!! That's sad. I guess you can't go home after all. At least we have the memories of the GOOD old days. 2Chucks, I assume I am the evil one that forced the change? No one else had anything else to do with it? Who was here and who is here doesn't matter, what matters is what hunting is about. Hunting is about friendships, families, having a good time, fellow hunters getting together and becoming friends and sharing hunts and memories and good times.
There was a group of people that wanted to be friends and welcome anyone else to be with them...like a hunting community should. For some reason there were people that didn't like that idea. To this day it is not known why?
Sure people use this place for info during the hunting season, but there is no "Friends and Family" type atmosphere here. Post your cold dead info, but don't try to be friendly or have any kind of fun. It's SAD. Totally sad! Commercializing a hunting forum...Just SAD. One of the BEST resources in the world to unite US as hunters and there has to be jealous people that throw sticks in the spokes of the on-line hunting community.
THAT is why a bunch of people left. It was not because they didn't like someone or something, or what was said, it's because they couldn't have a good time like we SHOULD be doing as a hunting community.
Y'all keep your commercialization! I got my friends and that's all that matters to me!
We will be family and share hunts and have a good 'ol time! Oh and share stuff too! Junior, Buckmasters always has done everything possible to always give all of it’s users everything that they have ever wanted. This whole webpage was built at very hard labor for your continued pleasure. It would be presumptuous to believe that Buckmasters or any other business for profit would let just “anything go”. This is why not only this webpage, but society as a whole has rules to guide what it considers appropriate. Buckmasters is up for discussion about anything that you can think of to make this webpage better for your pleasure. All you need to do is ask. My final words are a famous quote: “Can’t we all just get along?” 
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