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rebel deer hunter - 
Record Book
florida
 | | 01/15/2008 10:37 AM |
| | Man some of these huntn shows on tv are a buncha bs, yea there is still a couple good ones but seen this one called best of the west what kinda crap is this shootn animals out to 1000yrds weres the hunt in that. they got these top of the line scopes that tell em were to hold when the wind is blowing and the bullet drop, I can see shootn 400 yrds if you cant get the animal to come any closer and you cant get to him without it spooking as long as your gun is set for it and you are sure you can make the shot, another one is quest for the one, they go to all these top huntn ranches and shoot the biggest animals that the rancher has been watching and patternd em out. | |
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| CornFed -
Button Buck
Smiths, Alabama
| | 01/15/2008 1:24 PM |
| | 4 real | | | |
| majthor -
Button Buck
| | 01/15/2008 4:05 PM |
| | Unfortunately, most of the guys in these so called "hunting" shows are not hunters in the true sense of the word. They do not do their own scouting or stand placement. They just show up and shoot, guess we could just call them "shooting" shows. Most of the guys are nothing more than figure heads collecting a pay check and ruining the sport. | | | |
| Forestclimber -
Spike
| | 01/15/2008 4:35 PM |
| | It's all about money. Hunting equipment manufacturers and TV producers are in business to make money. | | | |
| tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 01/15/2008 5:35 PM |
| Posted By Forestclimber on 01/15/2008 4:35 PM
It's all about money. Hunting equipment manufacturers and TV producers are in business to make money.
Yup,most of those guy have lost what hunting is about | |
Tubby
The God of My Rock;He Is My Sheild;And The Horn Of My Salvation 2 Samuuel,Ch 22 | |
| mc6528 -
4-Pointer
SW Arkansas
| | 01/15/2008 6:18 PM |
| I agree SOME of the shows leave something to be desired. However, how many of us on this forum have ever tried to take an animal with a weapon AND a camera at the same time? I can assure you that it is MUCH harder than you could EVER imagine.
As for the "long shooters" this certainly isn't my cup of tea but there is a TREMENDOUS amount of skill that it takes to take an animal at such a distance. Yes, I know they have top notch equipment. It takes not only first-class grade-A equipment but hundreds of rounds of practice ~ not to mention a very proficient marksman ~ to be able to make such a shot. It isn't just point & shoot.
To say 1,000 yd shot is less ethical than a 400 yd shot is ridiculous. It all depends on the situation at hand, the quality of the equipment & last but definately not least, the ability of the person taking the shot. I'll bet there are VERY few people on this forum who can hit an 8" target at 400yds with their standard deer rifle 3 out of 10 shots!
We as "hunters" should not "dis" other hunters because we don't see their experience as "the real deal" just because we don't agree with it. If it is legal & it suits them I say go for it. If we get to running down other legal hunters we open the door for the antis to "divide & conquer"!
Just remember this friends television shows are "entertainment"! Whether it be a hunting show or a reality show or MTV. Do like I do, if I think a hunting show (or any other type show for that matter ~ I DESPISE REALITY SHOWS) is not up to my personal standard of viewing CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!
While I respect everyones right to their opinions I urge you to think about your words before we throw "rocks" at our fellow brethren in the outdoor community. | |
"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
| Walter -
4-Pointer
Melvern Kansas
| | 01/15/2008 7:02 PM |
| Posted By mc6528 on 01/15/2008 6:18 PM
I agree SOME of the shows leave something to be desired. However, how many of us on this forum have ever tried to take an animal with a weapon AND a camera at the same time? I can assure you that it is MUCH harder than you could EVER imagine.
As for the "long shooters" this certainly isn't my cup of tea but there is a TREMENDOUS amount of skill that it takes to take an animal at such a distance. Yes, I know they have top notch equipment. It takes not only first-class grade-A equipment but hundreds of rounds of practice ~ not to mention a very proficient marksman ~ to be able to make such a shot. It isn't just point & shoot.
To say 1,000 yd shot is less ethical than a 400 yd shot is ridiculous. It all depends on the situation at hand, the quality of the equipment & last but definately not least, the ability of the person taking the shot. I'll bet there are VERY few people on this forum who can hit an 8" target at 400yds with their standard deer rifle 3 out of 10 shots!
We as "hunters" should not "dis" other hunters because we don't see their experience as "the real deal" just because we don't agree with it. If it is legal & it suits them I say go for it. If we get to running down other legal hunters we open the door for the antis to "divide & conquer"!
Just remember this friends television shows are "entertainment"! Whether it be a hunting show or a reality show or MTV. Do like I do, if I think a hunting show (or any other type show for that matter ~ I DESPISE REALITY SHOWS) is not up to my personal standard of viewing CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!
While I respect everyones right to their opinions I urge you to think about your words before we throw "rocks" at our fellow brethren in the outdoor community.
Well said, I know I can not shoot real long distances now as ive gotten older, as well as my disabilaty's, I feel im pushing my limit at 200yrd's at this point. Anything over that I pass on.
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| RCraig -
Button Buck
| | 01/15/2008 9:43 PM |
| Posted By majthor on 01/15/2008 4:05 PM
...They just show up and shoot, guess we could just call them "shooting" shows...
In the South, if you go after quail with dogs you have to use the correct terminology: The DOGS are hunting quail, you are shooting quail! Maybe this terminology should be used on some hunting shows, too. The guides are doing the hunting and you are along to shoot the animal. | |
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| majthor -
Button Buck
| | 01/16/2008 7:38 AM |
| Posted By mc6528 on 01/15/2008 6:18 PM
I agree SOME of the shows leave something to be desired. However, how many of us on this forum have ever tried to take an animal with a weapon AND a camera at the same time? I can assure you that it is MUCH harder than you could EVER imagine.
As for the "long shooters" this certainly isn't my cup of tea but there is a TREMENDOUS amount of skill that it takes to take an animal at such a distance. Yes, I know they have top notch equipment. It takes not only first-class grade-A equipment but hundreds of rounds of practice ~ not to mention a very proficient marksman ~ to be able to make such a shot. It isn't just point & shoot.
To say 1,000 yd shot is less ethical than a 400 yd shot is ridiculous. It all depends on the situation at hand, the quality of the equipment & last but definately not least, the ability of the person taking the shot. I'll bet there are VERY few people on this forum who can hit an 8" target at 400yds with their standard deer rifle 3 out of 10 shots!
We as "hunters" should not "dis" other hunters because we don't see their experience as "the real deal" just because we don't agree with it. If it is legal & it suits them I say go for it. If we get to running down other legal hunters we open the door for the antis to "divide & conquer"!
Just remember this friends television shows are "entertainment"! Whether it be a hunting show or a reality show or MTV. Do like I do, if I think a hunting show (or any other type show for that matter ~ I DESPISE REALITY SHOWS) is not up to my personal standard of viewing CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!
While I respect everyones right to their opinions I urge you to think about your words before we throw "rocks" at our fellow brethren in the outdoor community.
While I agree with much of what you have stated, demonstrating a 1,000 yd shot on television gives many somewhat novice shooters/hunters a false sense of the ease of making a shot over such a distance. On a "hunting" show, I have never seen or heard them mention how much personal preparation and practice that it takes to make such a shot. Now, on "shooting" shows, they talk about what it takes. I would be happy if after the guys have made a shot like that, they talked about marksmanship and practice. I have seen it often where hunters are making or attempting shots at distances they should not be and the result is generally a wounded animal. I would venture a guess that many of the misses on these shows are never shown either. These guys are living most of our dreams and they have an ethical duty IMHO to portray the hunt in a manner which is fitting for the sport as a whole.
I am new to the forum, but I would hope with the proper amount of practice that MOST on here would be able to hit 8 inches at 400 yards more than three times. Marksmanship has less to do with the equipment and more to do with the person pulling the trigger in the end. | | | |
| mc6528 -
4-Pointer
SW Arkansas
| | 01/16/2008 12:04 PM |
| majthor, I will agree with your reply with emphasis on "PROPER PRACTICE". That is the answer to many of our shooting shortcomings whether it be gun, bow, m/l, etc.
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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
| rebel deer hunter -
Record Book
florida
| | 01/17/2008 2:19 PM |
| | Its not that hard because you have a camara mn in another tree and you have all the top of the line products before they even get to the stores and most of the places the deer arent even really hunted, and they call themselves pro hunters, id like to see them come to the management area I hunt, get out and scout hangup a stand a shoot a buck, bet any amout of money they would give up, I hunted that mangment area 5 yrs befor I killed a deer | |
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| mc6528 -
4-Pointer
SW Arkansas
| | 01/17/2008 2:21 PM |
| | If I may be so bold as to ask, how old are you "rebeldeerhunter"? | |
"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
| tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 01/17/2008 5:44 PM |
| | mc6528,I think rebel is young,but I would agree with him on this one.I would like to see how much effort the "pros" are putting in.Maybe they should show an actual behind the scenes show. | |
Tubby
The God of My Rock;He Is My Sheild;And The Horn Of My Salvation 2 Samuuel,Ch 22 | |
| pizzaman17 -
4-Pointer
Brookville,Pa.
| | 01/17/2008 6:56 PM |
| | That'd be pretty cool. I'd like to see them do something other than just kill a deer. | | | |
| slawman -
4-Pointer
| | 01/18/2008 4:56 AM |
| | The long range shooting does nothing for me, I prefer the rush I get when they get closer, the closer the better the rush. | | | |
| tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 01/18/2008 7:27 AM |
| | It sure makes your heart race when the come in close.(makes mine race just seeing them) | |
Tubby
The God of My Rock;He Is My Sheild;And The Horn Of My Salvation 2 Samuuel,Ch 22 | |
| majthor -
Button Buck
| | 01/18/2008 8:36 AM |
| Posted By slawman on 01/18/2008 4:56 AM
The long range shooting does nothing for me, I prefer the rush I get when they get closer, the closer the better the rush.
I will have to give you an AMEN on this one. I prefer having a deer right under my stand than glassing one at 400+ yards. Not taking anything away from making the long shot, a lot of satisfaction is gained from the shot, but from my perspective not as much satisfaction as from watching that big buck work his way into your stand and taking a 50 yard shot. I have done both, BTW.
I am critical of some of these guys and voice my opposition to their practices by not watching their shows or in some cases by not buying the products that they are trying to sell. Like others have pointed out, it is a money making venture for these guys and if they don't show a successful hunt on each show, they are not going to be on TV for long. Would you watch a show where a guy goes to a stand time after time and never kills a big buck? Most of us live that throughout the season, so there is no reason to want to watch it on TV.
Another issue that comes into play is that these guys make their money by hawking products. If an optics company which sponsors them has developed some new fangled long range scope, they are going to want it demonstrated making a long range shot. While I might not agree with it, that shot is what sells that product. There are guys and gals sitting on that couch saying "Man, I have got to get me one of those." or "I am going to buy me some of that scent to try next year." or "That treestand will make all the difference in the world." It is just the nature of the beast.
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| mc6528 -
4-Pointer
SW Arkansas
| | 01/18/2008 10:50 AM |
| Posted By majthor on 01/18/2008 8:36 AM Posted By slawman on 01/18/2008 4:56 AM
The long range shooting does nothing for me, I prefer the rush I get when they get closer, the closer the better the rush.
I will have to give you an AMEN on this one. I prefer having a deer right under my stand than glassing one at 400+ yards. Not taking anything away from making the long shot, a lot of satisfaction is gained from the shot, but from my perspective not as much satisfaction as from watching that big buck work his way into your stand and taking a 50 yard shot. I have done both, BTW.
I am critical of some of these guys and voice my opposition to their practices by not watching their shows or in some cases by not buying the products that they are trying to sell. Like others have pointed out, it is a money making venture for these guys and if they don't show a successful hunt on each show, they are not going to be on TV for long. Would you watch a show where a guy goes to a stand time after time and never kills a big buck? Most of us live that throughout the season, so there is no reason to want to watch it on TV.
Another issue that comes into play is that these guys make their money by hawking products. If an optics company which sponsors them has developed some new fangled long range scope, they are going to want it demonstrated making a long range shot. While I might not agree with it, that shot is what sells that product. There are guys and gals sitting on that couch saying "Man, I have got to get me one of those." or "I am going to buy me some of that scent to try next year." or "That treestand will make all the difference in the world." It is just the nature of the beast. BRAVO!!! Very well said! 
We need more responses like this on this forum. Not only does the poster give his/her opinion but backs it up with reasoning & substance. Keep posting!  | |
"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
| rebel deer hunter -
Record Book
florida
| | 01/22/2008 2:51 PM |
| | mc6528, Im 18 why does that matter, and its still a rush seeing then from far away, hell I get a rush just seeing em on the side of the road feeding, and I agree with you majhor its all about the advertisement but thats not what huntn is about, and many people think that they can go out everytime like on tv and shoot a big buck with the products that were advertised. | |
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| majthor -
Button Buck
| | 01/23/2008 9:30 AM |
| Posted By rebel deer hunter on 01/22/2008 2:51 PM
mc6528, Im 18 why does that matter, and its still a rush seeing then from far away, hell I get a rush just seeing em on the side of the road feeding, and I agree with you majhor its all about the advertisement but thats not what huntn is about, and many people think that they can go out everytime like on tv and shoot a big buck with the products that were advertised.
Unfortunately, being 18 in this situation does matter. It does not mean that your opinion is not just as valid. However, I can remember when the only hunting shows were local shows on Saturday evening and the main advertiser was the local Co-Op, way back before everyone had cable, the Outdoor Channel was not around, even Buckmasters was not being aired on The Nashville Network (TNN) if memory serves me correct, if you wanted to watch a "hunting show" you had to buy / rent a video tape (which is where these guys made their money) and most of your advertising occurred in magazines (which people once read). I have seen the "hunting show" (and "fishing show for that matter) evolve with time and become more and more commercialized. With all that said, my perspective, like mc6528's is going to be quite different from yours concerning this matter and it doesn't mean one is "right" and one is "wrong", just different, which is what makes this country great.
I agree with you that the advertising is not what hunting is about, but it is a multi-billion dollar industry which drives the train for the modern day "hunting show". For some of the so-called "bad" that commercialization has done for the sport, there has been some "good" as well, like: attracting others to this great sport that you and I both obviously love, technological advances in the equipment available to you and I today, spreading the word on some issues which are key to the sport (management, supplemental feeding, gun safety, etc.), just to name a few.
BTW, I find it refreshing to see those like yourself as passionate about the hunt as I am. Sometimes it takes some of the younger bucks introducing fresh ideas and opinions to keep us old bucks from getting stuck in a rut.... | | | |
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