rebel deer hunter - 
Record Book
florida
 | | 12/08/2007 7:27 PM |
| | seen this on a huntn show, its called drt ammo it pretty much turns to powder when it hits a object, contains no lead, and says it guarantees no pass through shots. says some holes may be as big as a soccer ball. website is drtammo.com | |
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tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 12/08/2007 8:24 PM |
| | Sounds like it ruin most of the meat,I'll stick to my Hornady and Remington. | |
Tubby
The God of My Rock;He Is My Sheild;And The Horn Of My Salvation 2 Samuuel,Ch 22 | |
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Kmehaffey -
Spike
Millersville Pa.
| | 12/09/2007 6:55 AM |
| I believe that they are Defencive rounds,not hunting ammo, they are frangible bullets,made to not penetrate walls,
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countryboy5439 -
Button Buck
| | 12/10/2007 12:09 PM |
| | No, this is hunting ammo. Supposedly it puts all of the knockdown power available into the animal, and not wasted on penetrating. And this stuff does sound like it will ruin meat. So, just like tubby, I'm stickin with my federal, and hornady. BTW, not powder, Metallic dust. A .22 rimfire will expand/explode (however you look at it) to the size of a tennis ball. A 30-06 will be the size of a regulation basketball...So there will be some ruining of meat on anything you decide to kill with this ammo. | | | |
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rebel deer hunter -
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florida
| | 12/10/2007 2:11 PM |
| | yea its a huntn bullet man, I prefer to eat the deer and hogs I hunt and the 270 with remmington coreloks already its hard enought ill stick to the regulars. the show i seen them on was a safari show | |
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rebel deer hunter -
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florida
| | 12/10/2007 2:13 PM |
| | hey countryboy do they make those drts in a 22 cal, those would be pretty nice for varments and head shots on turkeys, if they do make em in 22 and the price is right i might buy a box | |
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Hammerforged -
Button Buck
| | 12/16/2007 8:19 PM |
| | Hello All - I am new here. I just want to start out by stating that I am associated with DRT Ammo. If this is a problem then I apologize in advance and will abstain in the future and will fully understand if this is censured by the moderator. You are correct on most fronts about our ammo. this was originally developed as a tactical military ammunition and has been used as such since the mid 90s by various DOD units. but, it is also an excellent hunting ammunition. The references you site above are not entirely correct in their depiction of the terminal ballistics of our ammunition. What happens is that upon 1-2 inches of penetration the round disperses in the wound cavity expending 100% of it's energy in the wound cavity of the ani8mal, dropping the animal in it's tracks. Yes, there will be damage to meat in the immediate area of the wound cavity, but if a vital shot is made all of that damage will be in the heart/lung area. The powder that our ammunition is made up of is such a fine mesh that it is finer than a ladies face powder so when the animal is cleaned, all of the residue from the round is washed out with the detritus from the wound cavity with no contamination to the harvested meat. Please feel free to contact me at ross@drtammo.com for any further information you may wish. We will also be in booth 4014 at the Safari Club Convention in Reno in January. | | | |
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hobbit -
Button Buck
Louisiana
| | 12/17/2007 10:42 AM |
| | Yeah!!! love that, Info from the manf. Cant beat that! Question? If penetration is 1-2 inches energy transfer must be much greater? I collect ammo and it sounds like thunder zap with much greater range? | | | |
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rebel deer hunter -
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florida
| | 12/17/2007 2:06 PM |
| | hey hammer do they make those in 22 long rifle cal, and when will the bullets be in the stores any free magazines that I can request with the bullets and types of cal and prices | |
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Hammerforged -
Button Buck
| | 12/17/2007 8:21 PM |
| | Hobbit, to answer your question first. Let me explain it this way. The core of our ammo is a blended powder (it is not a sintered or semi-hard) core. In fact to keep the powder from pouring out the end of the jacketing we have to place a waffled tin cap over the powder core inside the jacket. Since it is a blended powder core then there are no impurities to throw off the balance of the round. So what you end up with is a super stable round that has unheard of accuracy at previously unthought of distances for frangible ammunition. In fact we have repeatedly had shooters shoot sub 2 inch groups with their service M4s and our .223 ammo at 600 yards and out to 1000 yards. Getting back to the transfer of energy, think of it this way. Say you have a blender full of salt and pepper in equal amounts, you then turn on that blender to it's highest speed setting with the lid in place of course representing the tin cap I mentioned earlier. Now you introduce fluid under high pressure into the core while the mixture is spinning at speed. What do you think the result will be? If you can picture this then you have some idea what happens with our round in the wound cavity. | | | |
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Hammerforged -
Button Buck
| | 12/17/2007 8:31 PM |
| Rebel, to answer your questions. We are offering below as finished cartridges or bullets for reloading in the following calibers for rifles and pistols with more to follow as tooling becomes available;
Rifle Pistol
Caliber Weight Caliber Weight
.223 87 9mm 115-124
243 107 38 spc 115-124
270 130 40 sw 180
30/06 150-175 45 acp 175-185-230
30/30 150-175 357 sig 115-124
308 150-175
300 H&H 175-200
300 WinMag 175-200
300 Wby 175-200
375 H&H 300
416 Rigby 400
458 WinMag 350
458 Lott 350
470 Nitro 500
505 Gibbs 525 | | | |
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rebel deer hunter -
Record Book
florida
| | 12/18/2007 2:04 PM |
| | looks like im outa luck | |
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Walter -
4-Pointer
Melvern Kansas
| | 12/18/2007 9:00 PM |
| | There is one thing I dont like about this typ of bullet, it wont be on the market long because the goverment will ban it. If im understanding this there will be know evidience our balistics off an expended bullet. It will be just like what happend to the excelarater ammo. Just my thoughts, and it will stink because I can see that it could save some lives come hunting season with know pass throughs, our of hitting a rock and going over A hill. | |
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Hammerforged -
Button Buck
| | 12/18/2007 9:16 PM |
| Walter;
Before we could offer our ammo to the civilian and LEO market, we had to prove that it could be traced back to the weapon the round came from in an organic target. If you visit our web site at www.drtammo.com , you will see near the bottom of the page the words "Frangible Bullets" in red right underneath "Check out our new videos" , by clicking on "Frangible Bullets" you will go to the text of an article written by Don Mikko who is the head of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Laboratory - Ballistics Division at Ft. Gillem, attesting to the fact that our ammo can be traced back to the weapon system on an organic target. There is enough of the jacketing material that remains in the wound cavity to verify the striations from the weapon system upon investigation. On a hard target there is nothing left of the round but this is not a problem. This article is being published in the International Ballistics Journal either this month or next. | | | |
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Walter -
4-Pointer
Melvern Kansas
| | 12/18/2007 10:24 PM |
| | Ok then I stand corrected, I have seen some hunting shows where they have used it but have not seen what the wound looks like. I do know what A reminton core lock 150gr out of my 308 does even with A well placed shoot will do. I still lose 50 to 60% of the front qaurters of my deer. | |
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Hammerforged -
Button Buck
| | 12/19/2007 8:08 AM |
| Walter;
You are correct in that there will be some meat loss. But, (and I know this is not PC) you can do like many of the hunters that are using our ammo are doing and that is make a gut shot. The animal is still down right where you hit him and the wound cavity is contained in the gut area with no damage to harvestable meat. Believe me when I say we have tested this on everything out there from pigs to Elk and Grizzlies. If anyone wishes they can contact me off forum and I can send them pictures of game taken with our ammunition, I will include yardage, caliber and weight of the round with each picture. On a Whitetail vital shot our 150 grain 308 will enter 2 inches and disperse in the next 6 to 8 inches leaving a permanent wound cavity that will be about 4 1/2 inches in diameter and about 8 inches long. One thing I want to mention up front about our ammo, we have the ability to offer custom rounds. By this I mean that because of the nature of our composite we can control the depth of penetration before dispersion by adjusting the thickness of the waffled tin cap. Proportionately, we can control the amount of dispersion by adjusting the mix of the powders. We can take the same 150 grain 308 load and by adjusting the mix of the powders and adjusting the thickness of the tin cap we can have the round penetrate 3 inches and disperse in the next 4-6 inches leaving a wound cavity that would be 3 -4 inches in diameter and only 6 inches in length. So, in essence what we have developed is a round that can be taylored to the specific hunter's needs. For example, with all of our rifle rounds and slight adjustments there is ZERO deflection through glass. We have shown this time and again and have just returned from New Hampshire where we performed a live fire demo for the American Sniper Association on that very capability. My email is ross@drtammo.com or ross@rtcustomknives.com . | | | |
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Walter -
4-Pointer
Melvern Kansas
| | 12/19/2007 12:12 PM |
| | Thankyou for taking the time to do some explaining. | |
John 316 | |
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