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Chuck Manetta - User is Offline
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09/18/2007 5:21 PM  
The problem is, the prions are known to contaminate the soil!

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CWD deer to go into county landfill

Deer carcasses tainted with chronic wasting disease could end up in the Dane County landfill this fall, but research shows there is virtually no chance of the disease getting into groundwater or the municipal sewer system.

The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources wants to dump the carcasses in the Rodefeld landfill on Madison's far east side to save money, since the cost of burying is much lower than either incinerating the carcasses or liquifying the carcasses in an alkaline digester, the two methods used over the past four years by DNR to get rid of CWD deer.

During the early days of the CWD scare in 2002, residents were alarmed that deer buried in the landfill could have the prions, or CWD-laden proteins, come out of the decaying carcasses and into the leachate system that ends up in the Madison metropolitan sewer system.

Extensive testing by University of Wisconsin researchers this year showed virtually no movement of prions through various soils and landfill materials when water was poured through the material.

DNR waste and materials manager Gene Mitchell feels the burial plan has solid research behind it.

"The studies showed the prions moved less than three millimeters in the material," Mitchell said. "It's pretty convincing that they don't move."

Infectious waste is not allowed in the county landfill under current ordinance. The change being considered by the Dane County Board is to allow for the disposal of deer carcasses infected with CWD in the landfill, with the DNR paying for the burial and also agreeing to indemnify Dane County against any liability arising from the disposal of the carcasses.

Dane County solid waste manager Mike DiMaggio said the deer carcasses would be kept separate from the other trash in the landfill, buried in a trench located at least 80 feet above the leachate collection system at the landfill to collect leachate for pumping to the sewer system.

"I feel comfortable about doing this," DiMaggio said. "The prions don't go anywhere."

The trench would be lined with two feet of soil. Carcasses would be dumped in, covered with landfill material then topped with two more feet of soil, clearly marked so landfill workers don't cut through the trench when a new methane gas well needs to be installed into the landfill material.

(The county collects methane at the landfill and sells it to the power companies.)

Mitchell said the DNR is looking for ways to cut costs in the CWD management program, since its budget was cut by more than $1 million and federal funding was cut by $656,000. Together, the cuts amounted to 60 percent of the DNR's $2.7 million CWD operations budget.

Burying carcasses will drastically reduce the cost of disposal.

Burial will cost $50 a ton, while Incineration is $1,200 a ton and the alkaline digester used at the UW veterinary diagnostic lab in Madison costs $600 a ton.

About 500 tons of CWD-infected deer are expected to be collected by the DNR this upcoming deer hunting season, mainly from the disease eradication zone centered in western Dane County and eastern Iowa County.

DiMaggio said the amount of deer that would be buried is miniscule compared to the amount of garbage brought to the landfill.

"500 tons is a half-day's garbage for us," DiMaggio said.

The County Board will have several committees look at the plan and could have it approved this fall, which would be a big help to the DNR, Mitchell said.

"If we don't need to spend money on more expensive methods of disposal, we can make better use of our budget," he said.

The DNR was spending about $500,000 a year to dispose of the carcasses. If the landfill is used, the county will get about $25,000.


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09/18/2007 7:59 PM  
well if they dont want any chance of any contamination,

why dont they just burn them?

i mean really, just burn them. toss them into a big oven.

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09/19/2007 7:38 AM  
Hunterman,

That would be my suggestion, but I guess it is cheaper to bury them! 

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09/19/2007 11:43 AM  
I may be wrong,but I thought even burning didn't kill the prions?

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09/19/2007 11:44 AM  
Don't mean to sound like an idiot,just trying to learn what I can.

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09/19/2007 3:25 PM  
well maybe not a regular big camp fire lol.

but im shure if tossed into basicly a creamation oven at temps of 1800 degrees should be hott enofe to kill almost anything. but again im not a scientist so thats just what id think. i really couldnt guese what els can be done.

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09/19/2007 5:37 PM  
I am not 100% sure, but I know burying them is no good. 

I think Hunterman is correct.  If you put enough heat on them they will break up.

They are only folded strings of DNA.

In any event, they should be treated as any other boi-hazard would be treated and burned.

Not buried so the next 20 generations can suffer for our stupid and cost-cutting mistakes.

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09/19/2007 6:47 PM  
Chuck,
I agree with you why should our future generations pay for the mistakes we make now. I'm no biology expert, however it would be in my belief a much better idea to burn the infected carcass. I think the DNR and other government people should stop and think about how companies like Bio Chemical Resources dispose of the used needles and other such waste that has human bio contaminents on it.

Only my opinion : burning would be the best way to hopefully bring an end to CWD.


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09/22/2007 6:50 PM  
Temps up to 1600 F have been shown to be ineffective in diminishing prion infectivety. Remember, it can't be killed, Only removed. I agree however that cremation would at least produce a smaller amount or "Package" if you will of what would need to be disposed of.
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09/22/2007 11:57 PM  
Posted By 2chucks on 09/22/2007 6:50 PM
Temps up to 1600 F have been shown to be ineffective in diminishing prion infectivety. Remember, it can't be killed, Only removed. I agree however that cremation would at least produce a smaller amount or "Package" if you will of what would need to be disposed of.


Humm?

Maybe you could run the ashes through an acid bath?

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09/24/2007 7:06 AM  
I guess the writing in red below is how you are supposed to get rid of infected animals.


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Plans for DOW research facility in Cherokee Park worrying some residents

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Andra Coberly
September 24, 2007

Chronic wasting disease is not a pretty image: Deer become so thin their bones are visible and they eventually die, weak and awkward.

The fatal neurological disease found in deer, elk and moose has not yet been linked to human health problems, but wildlife officials warn those around infected animals to take precautions. Hunters are even advised to test their kill before they take it home to eat.

The disease recently sent fear into residents near Cherokee Park State Wildlife Area and around Livermore. Rumors have spread that the Colorado Division of Wildlife is moving part of its Fort Collins' research facility to the area; the Fort Collins facility houses projects involving the disease and infected animals.

Larimer County Commissioners and Division of Wildlife officials heard from numerous residents concerned about everything from infected deer roving their neighborhoods to drainage issues, property values, traffic and congestion.

In response, the DOW and Commissioner Kathay Rennels, who oversees the area, will host a public meeting to clear up any misconceptions and do some public outreach. The meeting will be held from 10 a.m.-2 p.m. Saturday at the Livermore Community Hall.

While there is some truth the DOW is relocating part of its Fort Collins research facility to a patch of land in rural Larimer, DOW spokesman Tyler Baskfield said that infected animals will not likely call the new area home.

"If there is concern, it is unfounded or unsubstantiated," he said. "There will be no CWD in the first phase out there. ... There are no plans, but at the same time, I can't say that a plan for that wouldn't evolve."

Baskfield said DOW, which has its sights set on 200 acres in the Lone Pine Unit of the park, would likely move research projects from the Fort Collins facility that do not involve diseases, such as developing feed given to animals during harsh winters. If the facility does at some point begin research on chronic wasting disease, Baskfield said that DOW would need to add extra infrastructure that the department does not have funding for now.

"Cherokee Park will not include incinerators or chemical digesters," he said.

The new facility's plans are conceptual. The intent of the move is to free space in a facility that is not only overcrowded but also outdated.

"Presently, the site in Fort Collins isn't (appropriate) for captive elk, sheep, pronghorn and deer," he said. "Much of the infrastructure is more than 30 years old. It would take significant maintenance and upgrades to meet care standards. The reason we won't invest is it is too small to meet current needs and our anticipated needs in future."

The perks of Cherokees Park are that the site has both utilities and some infrastructure -- though DOW would bring animal pens and construct buildings -- and the location is in proximity to the Fort Collins DOW facility, Colorado State University and other groups that the department collaborates with. The land already is a state Wildlife Area, so DOW would not have to buy or lease it.

If the site proves suitable, including the correct infrastructure and appropriate groundwater, Larimer officials will then review the plans, and ground could be broken as quickly as July of 2008.


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05/15/2008 9:00 AM  
Man.thats bad

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06/04/2008 9:28 AM  
really bad
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06/10/2008 12:16 PM  
I dont think I would bury it

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