Howard - 
4-Pointer
 | | 09/11/2007 6:25 PM |
| I notice people on utube videos and personally seeing people at the range practice shooting their handguns with two hands and their should squared to the target, for the most part.
Some shooters switch to shooting with one hand and turn their body sideways and sometimes put their off hand in their pocket.
If right handed their bodies go from looking like this __ to something like this / if not fully turned like this |.
Any ideas why? Is this proper? | | | |
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r_rayjr -
4-Pointer
Council Bluffs, Iowa
| | 09/13/2007 6:48 AM |
| When I was in the Navy, I was a member of the commands security Force. And during the gun training that we had to attend every year we had to shoot two hand straight out from the chest, to the left and to the right. And then we had to also shoot one handed left, right and center. With both hands. They never did tell us why we had to do this. But it was a requirement for us to do it. And he had to try and hit the target.
And the weird thing about it is we had people that could not do some of them for what ever reason and they were still part of the Security force. The only thing that I can think of on why they did this is because if they knew you could not shot a certain why they maybe not send you to a certain part of the ship or building that might have you needing to shoot that way. I don't know, but it was the only thing that I could think of, because some of those people were only sent to certain area's and then they also had someone with them that could do any of them stances...
But I could be wrong!!! It is just something that I noticed on the 3 ships and the 2 shore commands that I was at as a member of the security force. And during the 11 years I was in the Navy I was assigned to 4 ships, and 4 shore commands, 5 if you count bootcamp... | |
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tubby -
Record Book
Moundville,Alabama
| | 09/13/2007 1:43 PM |
| | I would agree with Ray,if you are using a hand gun for a defensive weapon,you should be able to use it in all situations and positions. | |
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Hunterman -
Button Buck
| | 09/13/2007 4:40 PM |
| there is different shooting, i think your looking at a more competitive style of shooting.
defence shooting, combat shooting etc to me is the fastest position, everything is fast.
your first position to learn is probably more a foundation on everything, a good starting at this shooting is isosceles, to describe it, your in a Kepo Karate stance, think that would be a half moon stance? anyway, its a 70-30 70% of your body weight on the toes and 30% on your heals, lean towards the target because rapid fire and double taps will throw you off balance a bit in a stiff stance. facing square at the target with your head center of your shoulders, tucking your elbows in a little will give you a closer better sight picture and will be better under recoil and bringing the sight picture back down onto the target. you want both eyes wide open all the time, this shooting is both eyes open, no messing around.
but again going into situations and etc, you are never in the same stance twice. sometimes your shooting on the run and the first 2 shots your in a sprint position and your shooting the first double tap right as your exploding into a sprint.
then trick shooting comes into play, way of shooting over walls and under things etc faster easier with the ability to boot from one place to the other.
even shooting off a horse or one handed on the run or at moving targets, there tricks and ways to do it easier and faster much faster.
a reload is one motion, you should be reloading the next magazine almost at the same time your firing the last round and as your kicking the empty mag out, the next should already be in the gun and the slide dropped and firing when you chamber that round. basically a reload is the speed it takes you to touch your belt buckle and clap your hand together. | |
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Howard -
4-Pointer
| | 09/14/2007 5:05 PM |
| Hunterman have you heard about Ruger's P345? They have it built in safety to where you can't shoot if the mag is ejected...some police around here told me they wouldn't want it because they like to do what you described above.
The thing is, these people I have seen don't appear to be truly practicing. I saw one guy teaching his son, I think and we were chatting with him while we were practicing. After his son shot his rounds the father decided to load up and turn his body sideways and pop off several rounds. He hit maybe 2 on paper, the rest he missed. After that they left the range. ?? I need to better myself and get my gun on target because one day I may need to make a 10 yard shot to save my life be it from and intruder or animal defense against hogs.
I guess everyone at the range is not like me and go just for fun, and making shots near center is a bonus for them.
Thanks for the responses. | | | |
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Buckwacka -
Moderator
Spike
| | 09/16/2007 1:21 PM |
| OK here is the deal....The front on or "Triangle Stance" is most popular in the Law Enforcement and competitive shooting. The reason for the Triangle Stance in both law enforcement and competitive shooting is the stability it offers. The other reason it is used in law enforcement is you are more protected by your ballistic vest with a front on stance then a "Weaver" stance or the side to stance that you speak of. In a Weaver stance, the chances are there that a round coming at you, will hit you under the arm and enter lungs, heart ect.
Two handed shooting is the perfered method by most for gun control. One handed shooting and weak hand shooting is good to practice for those chances that either you strong and or weak hand becomes useless due to injury. A lot of people practicing one hand shooting will place the hand they are not shooting with in the back pocket or place it in the wast band of their pants. This keeps the shooter from wanting to use the "injured" hand out of habit and makes them use only the good hand. There is also training on how to change magazines using only one hand. | |
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overhill -
4-Pointer
N.J.
| | 09/17/2007 6:56 AM |
| | Howard: Concentrate on the front sight. Do alot of dry firing with a dime balanced on the front sight. When you can squeeze the trigger and keep the front sight on target without the dime falling off, it is time for the range. Practice different positions along with one and two hands. You should be able to place all shots on target at 10 yards. Target shooting is another ballgame. | | | |
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Firepoggy -
4-Pointer
Central Iowa
| | 09/27/2007 9:13 PM |
| | Having qualified many times at the Iowa Law Enforcement Academy, Buckwacka is correct. | |
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Urimaginaryfrnd -
Button Buck
Tree Stand #8 hanging on for deer life
| | 09/30/2007 9:30 AM |
| Posted By Buckwacka on 09/16/2007 1:21 PM
OK here is the deal....The front on or "Triangle Stance" is most popular in the Law Enforcement and competitive shooting. The reason for the Triangle Stance in both law enforcement and competitive shooting is the stability it offers. The other reason it is used in law enforcement is you are more protected by your ballistic vest with a front on stance then a "Weaver" stance or the side to stance that you speak of. In a Weaver stance, the chances are there that a round coming at you, will hit you under the arm and enter lungs, heart ect.
Two handed shooting is the perfered method by most for gun control. One handed shooting and weak hand shooting is good to practice for those chances that either you strong and or weak hand becomes useless due to injury. A lot of people practicing one hand shooting will place the hand they are not shooting with in the back pocket or place it in the wast band of their pants. This keeps the shooter from wanting to use the "injured" hand out of habit and makes them use only the good hand. There is also training on how to change magazines using only one hand.
To add a little to this The triangle stance is called isosceles An isosceles triangle is a triangle with (at least) two equal sides. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IsoscelesTriangle.html
The reason Police use this is because under stress the body releases "epinephrin" or "adrenalin"
Epinephrine is a "fight or flight" hormone which is released from the adrenal glands when danger threatens or in an emergency. When secreted into the bloodstream, it rapidly prepares the body for action in emergency situations. The hormone boosts the supply of oxygen and glucose to the brain and muscles, while suppressing other non-emergency bodily processes. The end result is that course muscle skills grow strong and the ability do do fine motor skills decreases. Simple things work best under stress. In addition it is much more difficult for an agressor to take away or strike and cause you to loose a pistol if both your hands are holding it .
The one hand pistol ---- target shooting ---- with a hand behind the back or in a pocket comes from NRA pistol competition stance not gunfighting skills. The western gunfighters drew and shot in one motion - quickdraw - and a practiced person can be quite accurate and quite deadly which follows the old western idea that you dont pull a pistol on anyone you dont intend to shoot which is not true of modern police because the pistol is used as a deterent to stop aggressive action by the suspect a such it is the ultimate warning that bad behavior will no longer be allowed.
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Hunterman -
Button Buck
| | 10/02/2007 6:53 AM |
| howard, there a few guns out there with safetys like that.
i think the smith tacticals wont shoot if there is no mag in them also.
i really dont think it would cause that big of a problem. with or without it, i think you can defend yourself just the same.
what i dont like is how hard the triggers come on allot of those double action pistols, like the smith tac models and etc. i havent shot the ruger so i dont know how the pull is. but jeeze ive pulled some guns that had at least a 12 pound trigger, i mean 12 pounds is horible feeling, they would be great shooters if those guns were a 7 or 5 lb pull. | |
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Howard -
4-Pointer
| | 10/02/2007 5:14 PM |
| I think though that these people do it just for chances of making good shots. I haven't seen anyone(spoken in my first post) that practiced shooting with one hand. It seems out the blue they decided to shoot a few rounds with one hand and most of them missed most of their shots. Seems like if I were to practice I would spend more than a few minutes and more than a few rounds to practice shooting with one hand.
My revolver has a heavy pull for double action. single action is just fine. | | | |
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Forestclimber -
Spike
| | 10/04/2007 9:44 PM |
| | What do you call the position where you are behind a wall, and you stick the gun around the corner, and fire hoping to scare the bejeesus out of the other guy? | | | |
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mcraddock -
6-Pointer
Possum Kingdom, SC
| | 10/05/2007 1:26 AM |
| Posted By Forestclimber on 10/04/2007 9:44 PM
What do you call the position where you are behind a wall, and you stick the gun around the corner, and fire hoping to scare the bejeesus out of the other guy?
I think thats called the Marine Corps method !! Just kidding jarheads !! Airborne Rangers All the Way !!
The off-hand in the back pocket while shooting stance is something I remember seeing in an old U.S. Army training manual for the M1911 pistol marksmanship. Pre WWII I think . | | | |
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Hunterman -
Button Buck
| | 10/07/2007 12:31 PM |
| the hand in the pocket helps to balance yourself a little better. you would see that more in like gallery shooting, small caliber target shooting "bullseye shooting", its does make a differance in accuracy to put your free hand on your hip or pocket.
its kinda like a guy who hunts with a bow, he will practice shooting with his feet together, because in general when your hunting thats how youll take your shot. where a guy who only target shoots with a bow will always take the same picture perfect archers stance. 2 differant styles in shooting, target style and killn style. | |
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