i was out on wed. hunting black bear and saw this guy up on the hill so dear season started today and i got out there asap and was the first one out and shot him 3 hours after leaving my house at 6am he has 4x4 with a small 1 1/2" brow tine on the right antler. this guy is a beast... the whole time we were bear hunting and scouting different areas in the last month this is by far the biggest deer we saw the whole time. i shot him at about 60yrds. with a 30-06.